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 +===== Federation Report, January 1956. =====
  
-FE-52E4'7_0N REP0F1Li=7 1056 +There is no report for January as we had meeting. 
-There is no report for January as we 7].ad no-neting+ 
-The Meeting room was being paIntod and decorated -ve were tipped out into Penfold Place. FreF,Ident Paul Barnes ruled "No Meeting*+The Meeting room was being painted and decorated - we were tipped out into Penfold Place. President Paul Barnes ruled "No Meeting.
-LLLEN A. Knom + 
-Delegate. +Allen A. Strom. Delegate. 
-EDITORIAL + 
-This is not quitethe place for an Editorial - it should have gone on the first page, but as Federation Report Ilas failed +---- 
-to materialise and the space must be filled it might be opportune + 
-for me to say a few words here. +===== Editorial. ===== 
-I take it you have all read Federation Report published in the + 
-December issue of the Bushwalker. The first item concerns a +This is not quite the place for an Editorial - it should have gone on the first page, but as Federation Report has failed to materialise and the space must be filled it might be opportune for me to say a few words here. 
-letter received from the Federation of Mountain Clubs of New Zealand, relative to visitorsfrom Australia using huts in Alpine areas without prior permission or payment of hut feesOf (ourse2 to any member of our Club such action would be ra-ihhirlkaLle;; but as this magazine may find its way into the hands of walkers who have so + 
-offended, I shall go ahead and say my sayo +I take it you have all read Federation Report published in the December issue of the Bushwalker. The first item concerns a letter received from the Federation of Mountain Clubs of New Zealand, relative to visitors from Australia using huts in Alpine areas without prior permission or payment of hut feesOf course, to any member of our Club such action would be unthinkable, but as this magazine may find its way into the hands of walkers who have so offended, I shall go ahead and say my say. 
-Most of the Alpine Club huts are situated in fairly inaccessibly + 
-9. +Most of the Alpine Club huts are situated in fairly inaccessibly places, and an enormous amount of back-breaking labour is involved in carrying in the materials and erecting the huts. In practically every case the building is done by the labour of Alpine Club members, many of them devoting their annual holidays, often for several consecutive years, to completing a hut when they could be out climbing peaks. Most of the huts are equipped with mattresses, blankets, pillows, kerosene cookers and cooking and eating utensils. During the severe weather which can descend at very short notice at any season of the year the huts are a godsend, and in many instances have afforded the shelter that has saved exhausted climbers lives. It is humiliating to think than anyone could be so paltry as to begrudge the few shillings per night which is payable, and which is used for the equipment and maintenance of these huts. It is a poor show when a few unthinking types go over to New Zealand and give Australians a bad name because of their thoughtless or careless behaviour. Let any future visitors to New Zealand be careful not to offend in this regard. 
-FOR ALL  YOUR TRANSPORT PROBLEMS  + 
-CONTACT +There are notices in most huts telling how much is due and where to pay it, but in case anyone has used the huts and not made a note of it, they can contact the Secretary of the Federation of Mountain Clubs of New Zealand at P.O. Box 1604, Wellington, N.Z. 
-H&TTSWELL'S TAXI  & TOURIST  SERVICE + 
-RING, WRITE, WIRE OR CALL +---- 
-ANY HOUR DAY OR NIGHT + 
-elephone: Brheath 128 or 249. +=== Hattswell's Taxi and Tourist Service. === 
-Booking Office - 4 doors + 
-from Gardneris Inn Hotel (LOOK FOR THE NEON SIGN.) +For all your transport problems contact Hattswell's Taxi and Tourist Service. Ring, write, wire or call any hour, day or night. 
-SPEEDY 5 OR 8 PASSENGER CARS AVAILABLE + 
-i FARES: KANANGRA WALLS 30/- per head (minimum 5 passengers +Telephone: Blackheath 129 or 249. Booking Office - 4 doors from Gardner's Inn Hote1 (look for the neon sign.) 
-PERRY!S LOOKDOWN 3/..  Tt tt IT TT  TT + 
-JENOLAN STATE FOREST 20/L. " If IT It Tt +Speedy 5 OR 8 passenger cars availableLarge or small parties catered for. 
-1 CARLONIS FARM 10/ " It It IT It + 
-+Fares: 
-1 WE WILL BE PLEASED TO QUOTE OTHER TRIPS OR SPEC= PARTIES ON APPLICATION. + 
-places, and an enormous amount of back-breaking labour is involved in carrying in the materials and erecting the huts. In practically every case the building is done by the labour of Alpine Club members, many of them devoting their annual holidays, often for several consecutive years, to completing a hut when they could be out climbing +  * Kanangra Walls - 30/- per head (minimum 5 passengers) 
-peaks. Most of the huts are equipped with mattresses, blankets, pillows, kerosene cookers and cooking and eating utensils. During +  * Perry's Lookdown - 3/- per head (minimum 5 passengers) 
-the severe weather which can descend at very short notice at any +  * Jenolan State Forest - 20/- per head (minimum 5 passengers) 
-season of the year the huts are a godsend, and in many instances +  * Carlon's Farm - 10/- per head (minimum 5 passengers) 
-have afforded the shelter that has saved exhausted climbers lives. It is humiliating to think than anyone could be so paltry as to begrudge the few shillings per night which is payable, and which is + 
-used for the equipment and maintenance of these huts. It is a poor show when a few unthinking types go over to New Zealand and give Australians a bad name because.of their thoughtless or careless +We will be pleased to quote other trips or special parties on application. 
-behaviour. Let any future visitors to New Zealand be careful not to offend in this regard. + 
-There are notices in most huts telling how much is dLe and +---- 
-where to pay it, but in case anyone has used the huts and not made a + 
-note of it, they can contact the Secretary of the Federation of Mountain Clubs of New Zealand at P.O. Box 16041 Wellington, N.Z. +===== What To Do At Meetings. =====
-LARGE OR SMALL PARTIES CATERED FOR.+
  
-WHAT TO DO AT MEETINGS. 
- 1.  
 - Alex Colley. - Alex Colley.
-The Editor tells me that some of the newer members feel at a dis cf.dvantage amongst the old foxes and bush lawyers at our meetings, and has asked MB to pen this article. There are many who know more about it and could do it better, but perhaps they are less eager to rush into print. + 
-Although those attending their first meetings may not realise its every step in the procedure has a definite part in producingthe desired result - a recorded decision of the majority - with a minimum of wasted time. The S.B.W. meetings are good examples. They are well conducted, there is little speaking for the sake of being heard, and we get through our business in good time. A knowledge of what to do at meetings is one of the most useful things to be learnt in the Club. When members att.end other meetings, as everybody 'does sooner or later, they will feel at home, and be able to get Up and speak effectively, instead of -being overawed by the loquacious or afraid of speaking out of turn. +The Editor tells me that some of the newer members feel at a disadvantage amongst the old foxes and bush lawyers at our meetings, and has asked me to pen this article. There are many who know more about it and could do it better, but perhaps they are less eager to rush into print. 
-Probably the main reason for the efficiency Of our meetings is + 
-that many of the early members were good speakers, well versed in procedure. Butthe rules are not laid down in any statute, nor is +Although those attending their first meetings may not realise it, every step in the procedure has a definite part in producing the desired result - a recorded decision of the majority - with a minimum of wasted time. The S.B.W. meetings are good examples. They are well conducted, there is little speaking for the sake of being heard, and we get through our business in good time. A knowledge of what to do at meetings is one of the most useful things to be learnt in the Club. When members attend other meetings, as everybody does sooner or later, they will feel at home, and be able to get up and speak effectively, instead of being overawed by the loquacious or afraid of speaking out of turn. 
-there any ultimate authority on what should be done. It was there- + 
-fore decided to adopt Parliamentary procedure. Actually our meetings are no different from any other properly donducted ones, butD should there be a difference of opinion on procedure, and should +Probably the main reason for the efficiency of our meetings is that many of the early members were good speakers, well versed in procedure. But the rules are not laid down in any statute, nor is there any ultimate authority on what should be done. It was therefore decided to adopt Parliamentary procedure. Actually our meetings are no different from any other properly conducted ones, but, should there be a difference of opinion on procedure, and should there be a parliamentary rule that applied, then it would determine the issueSometimes I think that when we have a detailed and far-reaching motion, such as the recent one on National Parks and their management, it would be a good thing if we really did adopt parliamentary procedure. This would entail, firstly, an introduction (or first reading) of the motion. The proposer would explain its  general purpose and the "opposition" would criticise it shortly. Some time after we would have a "second reading" when the measure would be thoroughly discussed. Then we would go into "committee" and discuss it clause by clause. I know, however, that long before this our quorum of 15 (the minimum number required to conditute our meeting) would have vanished into the neighbouring hostelries, leaving only the President, the Secretary, and myself in the Ingersoll HallWhat I shall attempt to describe, therefore, is not "parliamentary procedure," but the usual procedure at our meetings. 
-there be a parliamentary rule that applied,then it would determine the issueSometimes I think that when we have a detailed and far-reaching motion, such as the recent one on National Parks and their management, it would be a good thing if we really did adopt parliamentary procedure. This would entail,firstly, an introduction (or first reading) of the motion. The proposer would explain its  general purpose and the "opposition" would criticise it shortly. Some time after we would have a "second-reading" when the measure would be thoroughly discussed. Then we would go into "committee" and discuss it clause by clause. I know, however, that long before this our quorum of 15 (the minimum number required to conditute our meeting) would have vanished into the neighbouring hostelries, leavin6 only the President, the Secretary, and myself in the Ingersoll HallWhat I shall attempt to describe, therefore, is not-"perliamentary. procedure," but the usual procedure at our meetings. + 
-The order of business is always (1) Minutes, (2) Correspondence, ($) Reports, and (4) General Business. Afterthe reading of minutes, matters referred to in-them mpg be discussed, and similarly with correspondence and reports. Sometimes the same matter may come +The order of business is always (1) Minutes, (2) Correspondence, (3) Reports, and (4) General Business. After the reading of minutes, matters referred to in them may be discussed, and similarly with correspondence and reports. Sometimes the same matter may come up under two, or even three of these headings, in which case the chairman usually defers discussion until all the information in the hands of the Secretary is put before the meeting. There is good and logical reason for this order of business. Minutes are necessary as a record of proceedings so that everyone will know (and by authorising the chairman'to "confirm" them "as a true and correct record" agree upon) what was decided at the previous meeting. This prevents the repetition or rehashing of the same matters at subsequent meetings. Once a motion is adopted it is the Club law until it is rescinded. 
-up under two, or even three of these headings, in which case the ,D chairman usually defers discussion until all the information in the + 
-hands of the Secretary is put before the meeting. There is good and +Correspondence brings up matters which may need discussion, and hence comes second. Reports are necessary so that members will be aquainted with the work of their officers in the previous month, and if members really appreciate what is being done for them, they will show considerable interest. General business is anything that hasn't been discussed before during the evening. 
-logical reason for this order of business. Minutes are necessary al a record of proceedings so that everyone will know (and by authorisiL + 
-thedhairman'to "confirm" them "as a true and cOrrect record" agree +Supposing that a member wants something done by the meeting; how does he go about it? He must first frame it as a motion - "I move that... etc." He should frame his motion as clearly and concisely as possible, or, if it is a long one, write it out and give it to the Secretary. He should then proceed to back it up with whatever facts and argaments he thinks support it. Having lost more motions than anyone else in the Club, I cannot advise on this aspect, but there are other authorities such as Dale Carnegie. A motion must be framed positively - i.e., it cannot be a proposal __not__ to do something. If it conflicts with the constitution, or with a motion adopted previously, or if it is ambiguous, the chairman will not accept it. Only one motion can be before the meeting at any one time. The motion cannot be discussed unless there is a seconder - an obviously useful provision, because there is no object in discussing something that only one person wants. The seconder may speak after the mover, or later if he prefers. All speakers except the mover, who has a right of reply before the vote is taken, may speak only once. 
-upon) what was decided at the prbvious meeting. This prevents the + 
-repetition or rehashing of the same matters at subsequent meetings. +Anybody who thinks the motion is wrong in some respect, or could be improved, may move an amendment. If he thinks the whole motion is wrong he cannot move an amendment that negatives it - he must simply vote against the motion. An amendment may take several forms, the most usual being that certain words should be added or deleted in a specified place in the motion. If the mover, the seconder, and the meeting, are agreeable, a motion can be re-worded. 
-Once a motion is adopted it is the Club law until it is rescinded. + 
-11. +If there is an amendment before the meeting, speakers should speak on the motion or the amendment, but not on both together. Previous speakers on the motion are allowed to speak on the amendment (These rules are not strictly enforced in Club meetings.) The mover of an amendment has no right of reply. Amendments are put to the meeting before the motion, and, if carried, become part of the motion. 
-Correspondence brings up matters which may need discussion, and hence comes second. Reports are necessary so that members will be aquainted with the work of their officers in the previous month, and if MP1111 ers really appreciate whatis being done for them, they will show considerable interest. General business is anything that hasn't been discussed before during the evening. + 
-Supposing that a member wants something done by the meeting; how does he go about it? He must first frame it as a notion - "I move that....etc." He should frame his motion as clearly and concisely as possible, or, if it is a long one, write it out and give it to the Secretary. He should then proceed to back it up with whatever facts and argaments he thinks support it. Having lost more +It is the chairman's job to see that the debate is conducted according to the rules, and there his job ends. He should take no part in the debate, and do his best to let everyone express their views. It is not an easy job if the members have strong views and won't stick to the rules, or if the knowing try to work "points". But these things seldom happen in S.B.W. meetings. 
-motions than anyone else in the Club, I cannot advise on this aspect, but there are other authurities such as Dale Carnegie. A motion must be framed positively - i.e., it cannot be a proposal not to do + 
-domething. If it conflicts with the constitution, or with a motion adopted previously, or if it is ambiguous, the chairman will not accept it. Only one motion can be before the meeting at any one +If the meetings are dull or ineffectual, this is the fault of the members. Many do not realise that the conduct of the meeting is within the framework of the agreed rules of debate, in their own hands. Not only do members decide the subject matter to be discussed but they have at their command the means of preventing unfairness, pointless discussion and repetition. 
-time. The notion cannot be discussed unlessthere is a seconder - + 
-an obviously useful provision, because there is no object in discuss, +If at any time a member thinks that the rules of debate are being transgressed, he may raise a point of order, which the chairman must decide immediately. Often points or order are helpful to the chairman, who may have missed or forgotten something of importance. Sometimes the chairman may deliberately refrain from enforcing a rule if he thinks the meeting prefers some informal discussion to strictly correct procedure. There is a rule, for instance, that people may speak only when there is a motion before the meeting - i.ethey cannot just stand up and air their views, but must place something positive before the meeting in the form of a motion, or speak about a motion already moved. This rule is often broken in our meetings, particularly in "general business". If anybody feels we are just "beating about the bush" he can say "point of order, Mr. Chairman, there is no motion on the books," Whereupon the offender will be told to formulate a motion or desist. The Chairman can recall a wandering speaker to the subject; so can a member by saying "Point of order, Mr. Chairman. Is this relevant to the motion?At any time in a debate the "gag" can be moved in the form "I move the motion be now put." The chairman must put this to the meeting immediately. If the meeting agrees that "the motion be now put", that is the end of the discussion, except for the mover's right of reply. More drastic still, windbags can be silenced by moving, and having carried, a motion "that so-and-so be no longer heard." member can protect himself from misrepresentation by making a personal explanation, but he must stick to this one point. If a speaker makes an offensive remark the target of the remark can object, whereupon the chairman will order the speaker to withdraw and apologise. 
-ing something that only one person wants. The seconder may speak after the mover, or later if he prefers. All speakers except the movers who has a right of reply before the vote is taken, may speak only once. + 
-Anybody who thinks the motion is wrong in some respect, or could +Interjections are permissible, provided the speaker is given a fair hearing. They are usually appreciated by the meeting, particularly if they are to the point, or humorous. A good speaker likes them, as they show that people are interested, and enliven the meeting. 
-be improved, may move an amendment. If he thinks the wholenmotion ic wrong he cannot move an amendment that negatives it - he must + 
-simply vote against the motion. An amendment may take several forms, the most usual being that certain words should be added or deleted in a specified place in the motion. If the mover, the seconder, and the meeting, are agreeable, a motion can be re-worded. +Books have been written on meetings, but I believe that anyone who understands the few simple rules I have given will more than hold his own at most meetings. Some chairmen don't understand them, and experienced attenders of meetings often break the simplest rules, such as the necessity to formulate a motion, or to have one say and be done with it. More complicated matters may be left to the chairman to sort out. He may not always do strictly the right thing, but provided he tries to be fair, it is unlikely that anyone will object. 
-If there is an amendment before the meeting, speakers should speak on the motion or the amendment, but not on both together. Previous speakers on the motion are allowed to speak on the amendment(These rules are not strictly enforced in Club meetings.) The mover of an amendment has no right of reply. Amendments are put to the meeting before the motion, ands if carried, become part of the motior + 
-It is the chairman's job to see that the debate is conducted according to the rUles, and there his job ends. He should take no part in the debate, and do his best to let everyone express their +One last word of advice to intending speakers at Club meetings: Don't take them too seriously. The good spirits, freedom and humour of campfire discussions need not be left behind in the bash. Some of our best meetings have been those where the young members, sometimes with little or no experience in speaking, have just got up and talked. 
-views. It is not an easy job if the members have strong views and won't stick to the rules, or if the knowing try to work "points". But these things seldom happen in S.B.W. meetings. + 
-If the meetings are dull or ineffectual, this is the fault of +---- 
-the members. Many do not realise that the conducl; of the meeting is+
-within the framework of the agreed rules of debate, in their own hands. Not only do members decide the subject matter to be discusse but they have at their command the means of preventing unfairness, pointless dis'oussion and repetition. +
-If at any time a member thinks that the rules of debate are +
-12. +
-being transgressed, he may raise a point of order, which the chairmar must decide immediately. Often points or order are helpful to the chairman, who may have missed or forgotten something of importance. Sometimes the chairman may deliberately refrain from enforcing a rule if he thinks the meeting prefers sortie informal discussion to strictlz; correct procedure. There is a rule, for instance, that people may speak only when there is a motion before the meeting- i.ethey cannot just stand up and air their views, but must place something positive before the meeting in the form of a motion, or speak about a motion already moVed. This rule is often broken in our meetings, particularly in "general busines's". If anybody feels we are just "beating about the bush" he can say "point of order, Mr. Chairman, there is no motion on the books," Whereupon the offender will be told to formulate a motion or desist. The Chairman can recall a wandering speaker to the subject; so can a member by saying "Point of order, Mr. Chairman. Is this relevant to the motion"?' kt any time in a debate the "gag" can be moved in the form "I move the motion be new put." The chairman must put this to the meeting immediately. If the meeting agrees that "the motion'be now put", that is the end of the disoussion, except for the mover's right of reply. More drastic still, windbags Can be silenced by moving, and having carried, a motion "that so-and-so be no longer heard." member can protect himself from misropresentation by making a personn..: explanation, but he must stick to this o ne point. If a speaker makes an offensive remark the target of the remark can object, whereupon the chairman will order the speaker to withdraw and apologise. +
-Interjections are permissible, provided the speaker is given a fair hearing. They are usually appreciated by the meeting, particularly if they are to the point, or humorous. A good speaker +
-likes them, as they show that people are interested, and enliven +
-the meeting. +
-Books have been written on meetings, but I believe that anyone +
-who understands the few simple rules I have given will more than hold his own at most meetings. SOMB chairmen don't understand them, +
-and experienced attenders of meetings often break the simplest rules, such as the necessity to formulate a motion, or to have one say 'and +
-be done with it. More complicated matters may be left to the chairman to sort out. He may not always do strictlythe right thing4, but provided he tries to be fair, it is unlikely that anyone will object. +
-One last word of advice to intending speakers at Club meetings: Don't take them too seriously. The good spirits, freedom and humour of campfire discussions need not be left behind in the bash. SOMB +
-of our best meetings have been those where the young members, sometimes with little or no experience in speaking, have just got up and talked.+
 "To eat is human; to digest, divine." "To eat is human; to digest, divine."
-13.+ 
 +---- 
 TEE STARS LOOK DOWN TEE STARS LOOK DOWN
 - Dot Butler. - Dot Butler.
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